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laugher



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:43 pm    Post subject: v2.5 vs v3.0 Reply with quote

After taking the time to look through FAQs and reading the v3.0 announcements. I'm still a little confused.

I'm guessing that TGRMN is intending to stop supporting v2.5. Version 3 has these features which is meant to justify the upgrade.

    Support for 4K monitors and high DPI Windows settings - struggling to understand why anyone would put 4K monitors in an enterprise environment
    Move Functionality - don't need it for a copy/backup solution
    Memory Usage Minimization - don't have a problem with the way it works today.
    Map To Drive - don't need this today as all drive mappings are already managed outside of ViceVersa and should be managed outside of a backup client
    SHA-256 Comparison - nice but don't really need this as CRC32 performs well and probably takes less CPU to calculate
    Recheck File and Folder Security Attributes During Comparison - nice but can live without
    New Option 'Max Files/Folders to Delete' - very situational and can live without
    New Option 'Max. Files/Folders to Update' - very situational and can live without
    New Option 'Stop If a File Name Matches' - very situational
    Manage All 'Don't Ask Me Again Tell Me Again Messages' - I think this is highly situational again. Today, 2.5 already runs silently in the background so not sure what this really means
    New File Hashes Extension - nice
    Rename Conflicts - nice but very situational - doesn't archive also give you a different way of achieving the same result?
    Save Source and Target Comparison to CSV file - Nice but I already have a parser to extract information from a standard log file.

So am trying to understand the justification for the upgrade asking price. Can anyone help me put together a justification?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, there are some more changes here:

https://www.tgrmn.com/web/forum/viewtopict5800.htm

and here:

https://www.tgrmn.com/web/forum/viewtopict5498.htm

If you do not need these changes that are new in version 3, then no need to upgrade to version 3. Our plan now is to actively develop the latest version 3 but previous versions will keep working as installed.

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laugher



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I'm sure eventually you will add something I will definitely find value in pushing for the upgrade.

Here's my wishlist. Wink

    Merge S3Express and any other cloud drive copying capability into ViceVersa Pro.
    Encrypted tunnel for data-in-transit and cloud drive copying
    Compression-on-the-fly for data-in-transit reducing copying times for WAN and cloud connections
    Additional encryption algorithms add-on and stronger/longer key support
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Alice



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

S3 would be good, SharePoint/Teams/OneDrive support is a must for me in the next release.

It is tricky supporting/encouraging the use of VV in a Business as the 'major' releases are so far apart (at least a year I'd say, maybe 2 years) and when showing it and VVEs capabilities recently to our IT Director he was very impressed, but then asked 'does it backup/copy to the Cloud', when I said 'no' his interest kinda waned...

having said that, I am personally a massive fan and use the product daily, but the above makes it a harder 'sell' to others I work with.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback!
Some cloud storage services now offer SMB support, for instance MS AZURE files supports SMB: https://www.tgrmn.com/web/kb/item131.htm

By SharePoint/Teams/OneDrive do yoyu mean being able to use a OneDrive directly from ViceVersa?

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Alice



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there.

So ideally I'd like my Destination / Source path to be a SharePoint site/Doc Library so :

Quote:
://mytenant.sharepoint.com/sites/IntranetLinks/hr


then for me the 'Backup (Mirror source to Target)' VV Method working in both directions (File share ◄► SharePoint) would be great !

We'd need OAuth2 authentication to be enabled/understood by VV too as we have an MFA environment.

There's plenty of tools that do this sort of thing (we own one already...expensive and complicated to use), but nothing handles data quite as elegantly as VV...

It would be a 'magic bullet' solution if I could manage File shares (the present) and then Cloud (.sadly the unavoidable future) in one interface Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, would you (Alice and laugher) mind writing to support via email ( support @ tgrmn.com ) to discuss these requirements in further details? thanks!
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Alice



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have e-mailed as requested Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much ! we will reply Smile
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laugher



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, it is a no-brainer to include cloud support going forward. Especially for an enterprise tool. It will save a lot of script kiddies developing their own S3/Azure copy backup scripts and in a large organisation where each agile sprint team goes off and does their own thing, its essential to have a tool that we can trust.

At home, I mainly use Dropbox, Google Drive and/or OneDrive but these cloud storage platforms already have an agent that automatically replicates a local disk directory to their individual cloud storage setups.

And on the topic of cloud, encryption and optimization of WAN/Cloud copy is key.

I'll write to the email address you nominated and see when we might expect these features.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Smile

Quote:
At home, I mainly use Dropbox, Google Drive and/or OneDrive but these cloud storage platforms already have an agent that automatically replicates a local disk directory to their individual cloud storage setups.


Yes, I do the same and then I use ViceVersa to sync/backup/replicate the files that I also want to have on the cloud, i.e. I copy from different locations to the local OneDrive folder which is then synchronized by their agent to the online storage.

We also use Azure files SMB to backup directly online to Azure storage.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One item that has our priority now is a Dark mode for ViceVersa and VVEngine.
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